Oroborus

[MiM]

I watched an old favourite last night...
Legend with Tom Cruise...think its an early 80's film...
Anyhoo theres a line in it...and it got me thinkin...

The line goes...

Did you think you could alter the course of the universe and not pay the price?


What do you think....

Can we alter the course of the universe and not pay the price???

Ill add my thoughts/experiences later, would like to get a take on others peoples thoughts first...
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[Michael]

I think anytime you try to alter something there is a price. Sometimes that price is good..... at other times not so good.

I worry that with all the negative postings on the forums regarding politics, weather, war, etc. that it is the energy behind them going forth out into the Universe that keeps them alive. You become your energy. If one is constantly looking for negative things to post (YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE!) I believe negativity will envelope them. If a catastrophe hits I feel it will be those people who it hits the worst, so they can say, " I told you so!!"

Granted, bad things happen to good people and good things happen to bad people, but I would much rather bring in the good energy than not. What purpose does it serve to look for bad things all the time and post them without asking for prayers or light to be sent to help improve those situations?

Change your thinking, change your life!! Just ask Louise Hay!!

[dnatree]

Every time a man and a woman make a child they alter the universe but it is perfect because the answer or way the universe was altered was Sanctified by the universe. In the same way ANY intention given to the universe is blended. I used to use the picture of an Altar in the phrase
"Altar the Universe".

The more in line You get with the intentions of life no matter how bizzare Your intentions are, the more they are probable to manifext.


Altar the Universe
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Don't believe me or anyone, rather ask the Spirit what the true intentions of Your heart are and believe every word that You get from the Spirit. Father, let me learn only to speak as YOU speak through me.

[MiM]

Im asking about Changin the path of things Mr Tree, if the Universes plans are predetermined, then do we pay a price for changing that?


Do we upset the balance by interfering with her plans?...

The child being born was meant to be...therefore it was predetermined...
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[dnatree]

There is no other way even if You feel You are sneaking and blowing up the earth You will find the smallest of points You have overlooked will be that it was planned. You, my dear are the Universe, reality is not what it seems. Try as You may You can only make the ILLUSION that You are doing something You should not. And the only Universe You can really destroy that is not also agreed upon by the others is Your own. I am sorry, You cannot make a mistake except You create the illusion of mistake, this was planned from the begining when You and I dreamed it my dear. There has always only been You and I. I tried to loose myself over and over in such a way as You say but all roads led back to YOU, my life and it was perfect. Let go of the fear of such a possibility and feel YOU, in the firmness under Your steps. The more You get to KNOW WHO YOU ARE the more You REST in how all this works. Sure You can draw into being through mutual intent that which the ear nor eye of man has never seen but You cannot make a mistake on the level You believe possible. Try and I [the Spirit] will be the very mischief You try to create.
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Don't believe me or anyone, rather ask the Spirit what the true intentions of Your heart are and believe every word that You get from the Spirit. Father, let me learn only to speak as YOU speak through me.

[Brock]

I think an unborn child can return like an old human's soul can return. But I also think that the path to a soul's existence is determined by many factors and when we decide man's intervention with God is a path then the broken or posponed life is still in the hands of god.

Ultimately man is in the hands of god.

A Jehova's Witness friend told me that God allows us to fuck up the world but in the end, right before we wipe our species off the map, He comes back to reclaim it and allow us to renew.

But as to if there is a price for intervention, there is a price for non-intervention as well. We can either acknowledge the price and pay it or pay it forward or pay it later or force it upon somone else...balance is according to God's law which is bigger than all of us which we cannot grasp.

For example. If someone is given the wrong medication and dies, it is a sad day and a lawsuit might happen but it also might have saved 20 other people from having the same medication a week later and having more die instead of one die. But the balance is thrown through many layers, through legal processes and work delays and testing delays and testing extensions, instead of directly to the one layer of the experience.

Balance is not easily just one item on each side of the scale. Balance is about 100 items on one side and 1000 items on the other, mixed in with time and situation and conscious and unconscious.



This is why justice is blindfolded and karma is not. Karma is supposed to stop the unconscious from living. Justice is supposed to stop the conscious from living.
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[MiM]

OMG Mr Tree have you been readin my conversations????

The exact same words you are using, I used not 4 hours ago!!!




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[Brock]

ummm, that would be dnatree I presume.
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[MiM]

ye
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When does power lose power?
When does money lose value?
When does greed lose itself?
When does conflict lose direction?
When there is a greater need to survive
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[Brock]

I love this dnatree and MiM thought!

Sure You can draw into being through mutual intent that which the ear nor eye of man has never seen but You cannot make a mistake on the level You believe possible.

hey Mim, start writing down your thoughts....please!!
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[dnatree]

Yes, You most definately can make Your own 'price to pay" also as You believe it. But if You don't think in terms of shame or blame and the blind bitch Sabrina is speaking of "then the price has already been paid" as in the blood of billions that went before us. Fear draws to You the price You believe You must pay, but if You are in step with Your life, the price is already paid and the shame they will put on You in the misunderstanding is only others trying to keep You from doing something they fear. Live without any second thought and as I told You before "You will be a fountain of good". Your fear that You will screw up leads to experience in screwing up but it is just an illusion and You need to draw experience to rid fear from the equation. The universe can be seen as a huge equation. The smallest of points overlooked alters the equations but it will always be kept in balance even if You don't see it because of lack of trust. Your salvation at the moment You are about to destroy Yourself is assured. You can take Your life, but Your soul and being is eternal. For You are a memory in my heart says the Spirit and my heart is the mountain that remembers.
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Don't believe me or anyone, rather ask the Spirit what the true intentions of Your heart are and believe every word that You get from the Spirit. Father, let me learn only to speak as YOU speak through me.

[MiM]

So by believing there is a price to pay, I create the said price?

Im in control of the situation that prompted me to raise this question I want to be is that what you are saying?


Am I gettin ya or am I fallin off the path?
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When does power lose power?
When does money lose value?
When does greed lose itself?
When does conflict lose direction?
When there is a greater need to survive
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[dnatree]

You have been getting it all along, even the fearful shadows You created of late for Yourself were part of seeing that You must draw to Yourself experience to rid fear. That was really what the cross was about, ridding the fear of death so that You can see beyond birth and remember WHO YOU ARE. In fact what has transpired in this thread I have been wanting the Spirit to convey and You facilitated it. Thanks

The cross and the roses on YOur avatar are symbols I use related to learning this through passion and love and through failing at love. [common to all humans] I also think it is sexy and the alluring aspect of such is what draws us to love and learn from love.


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Don't believe me or anyone, rather ask the Spirit what the true intentions of Your heart are and believe every word that You get from the Spirit. Father, let me learn only to speak as YOU speak through me.

[Michael]

Whoa!!!!!

[MiM]

[dnatree]

Just because it is an illusion does not mean it does not seem very real. As far as anything being after You. You did create it through thought and getting the thoughts that ward it off is by letting it die. [the fearful thoughts about giving this person the vamp power, he does not have it except You give it to him through belief] And being alive to something new that would fill that place. You cannot do this but by holding the intention it is done through You. I have this intention for You.

Instead of being stalked, let the Spirit which wishes to "kiss every lock of Your hait" in, as the love that is Your life will fill that needy place that drew what You feel is not good. It was a mixed bag of emotions that drew him.
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Don't believe me or anyone, rather ask the Spirit what the true intentions of Your heart are and believe every word that You get from the Spirit. Father, let me learn only to speak as YOU speak through me.

[MiM]

[Michael]

DNA & Mim....... Thank you!

Mim, thank you for asking the question...... DNA, thank you for teaching the answer.


It made me think as well..... I loved this thread..

[MiM]

Instead of being stalked, let the Spirit which wishes to "kiss every lock of Your hait"

You hit the nail on the head here....

Im assumin hait is a typo for hair?

We appear to have gone off on a tangent, but I can assure ya we are on the track I wanted to be taken down...

Thank you Mr Tree....
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When does power lose power?
When does money lose value?
When does greed lose itself?
When does conflict lose direction?
When there is a greater need to survive
Tik Tok Tik Tok

[dnatree]

I Thank the Spirit that connects You and I and glad for You also who found this moment timely.

Is it You thinking about me or was I thnking about You first... hehehe

http://oroborusforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=11761&highlight=
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Don't believe me or anyone, rather ask the Spirit what the true intentions of Your heart are and believe every word that You get from the Spirit. Father, let me learn only to speak as YOU speak through me.

[sakeringo]

I absolutely 100% agree with everything DNA said here.

[Orion]