Oroborus

[dnatree]

I got a pm on prophecies 5 minutes before being banned from Myownthing warning me that I would be banned if I fight with the women that were ganging up to GET RID OF ME. (My final moments as DNATREE on prophecies) Also some that during the episodes I misunderstood/Sakeringo. Also I noticed that right after my post about "true intentions of the heart" between men and women that Myownthing announced their engagement. I had the feeling that engagement was related to fears between these two. Any intention begun in fear grows to separation. You cannot get engaged thinking that that will stop the fears because they only grow to separation. I liken the poetry of women as Eve putting on the veil and asking for the idea of relationship in Genesis and being told, "OK, but you will eventually die (separate) and you will have pain in child birth, and he will have to work by the sweat of his brow and thorns (problems) will come up everywhere. I think that it is related to fears growing. Myownthing is a beautiful woman and it is their business but when she slammed Glen publicly she opened the door to all this. I have never hit a woman but I know that the orchestration of violence was the intention of my ex when she PLANNED her exit. She had made the mistake of telling me how she orchestrated her former boyfriends end by using violence and the law to get him. She stood trying to get me to hit or touch her for hours while I was in my underwear and could not get to my clothes. When she could not get me angry enough she used my daughter and by locking her in the car and saying I would never see her again. When I opened the window on the Sprint (car) as the latch was broken and had my baby in my arms she put her arms around my neck and pulled back, the window which was held open by my back broke and she said "now you,ve done it " and then had me arrested for TRYING to hurt my baby, when it was really her intention to create such a violent episode as the law always........ see's it from the ..... weaker vessels kinivings. The law affords women a great opportunity in this area to use the law against the spouse when fears are what create the true episodes of battering.
The law created by fears short circuits the original intention of the heart to get you to stay always in the spirit as a woman or man putting forth intentions in truth cannot be hurt. But many women hide behind the law and use verbal battering using the law to keep them from reprisal. Now remember it is written of all relationships between You and I on this planet that first you must "bind the strong man, before you plunder his house." and the law that binds the stronger then allows the weaker to use her form of terror while keeping him at bay using threats of the law. A man should not enter relationship with a women except he come first to know she has true intention of heart. And a man should never enter into the relationship according to the world for it is doomed from the beginning when we agree with the interpretation. First he and she must meet and create relationship according to the moments they share, not according to interpretation.
For this reason it is written that the spirit spoke through those in spirit "I have overcome the world".

Note here: The use of the word slammed was the verbal battering such as I experienced from the Victims on Prophecies that indicate daily how they are abused but they do not see the daily battering they place on the hearts of their relationships.

Quote about the word Slammed:
http://oroborusforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=3837&start=25

[shinzo sammy]

Perhaps Robin and Glen have both been hurt by prophecies now. Isn't that the sadness? That a "prophecy" can hurt and not heal.

[dnatree]

[roygbiv8clubs]

In my experience, Robin (My Own Thing) has always been a sweet, loving, intuitive person. Glen has been a good guy - hosting the site for the benefit of all, even though in my time there, he didn't participate openly in the day-to-day doings of the site, which was okay with me. He was always available when I had a technical question.

I don't believe that when Robin made the post, that she gave up all rights to current and future privacy. I don't believe it's mine or anyone else's business to delve (minutely or otherwise) into her and Glen's private business just because Robin made one public post on her favorite, trusted, familiar forum in the midst of crisis. I don't believe I or anyone else has the right to all the facts.

Both of them have given countless hours to the maintenence of the site...I personally haven't given one dime, but I have benefited tremendously from the prophecies site in many ways. Ask a Psychic, Healing, Astrology, Christodd's great hurricane news; many, many wonderful areas to learn, and I soaked it all up. Plus, I have met many wonderful people at Prophecies. Hey, I even met dnatree and Pam in person (...and lived to tell about it! Just kidding!).

I discovered the Prophecies site because I was so devastated by the non-response to what was happening in New Orleans, and I tried to find out if any mainstream psychics had any words of comfort or had predicted it - nada, nothing, zipo - so I finally googled "predictions" - found the prophecies main page, and read TONS of predictions and dreams of water, water, water, and devastation, dated before the N.O. tragedy.



I'm not psychic, but I'll make a prediction on where this is going, and I know that I will be 100 percent correct in my prediction (if you want to take bets):

When we get "all" the facts we "think" we're entitled to, we will do what all human beings naturally do, we will "pass judgement" and then we will do what all human beings LOVE to do, we will "kick a dog when it's down."

Bookmakers take note.
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[sakeringo]

What roy said.

[shinzo sammy]

[Gehenna]

hey, ill always be grateful to prophecies for like..the rest of my life, even if i dont fit in well there...it did make possible the best thing ever to happen to me
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It's like a flaming pit of acid, with a pie in! ROLL IN, VICTIMS!
..Less concerned about fitting into the world...and making a living from it

[Fellixe]

[shinzo sammy]

Lyrics to Salisbury Hill by Peter Gabriel
I have to sing a song in the wrong forum....my heart brings my song here.

climbing up on salisbury hill
i could see the city light
wind was blowing, time stood still
eagle flew out of the night
he was something to observe
came in close, i heard a voice
standing, stretching every nerve
i had to listen, had no choice
i did not believe the information
just had to trust imagination
my heart going boom, boom, boom
son, he said
grab your things, i've come to take you home

to keep in silence i resigned
my friends would think i was a nut
turning water into wine
open doors would soon be shut
so i went from day to day
though my life was in a rut
until i thought of what i'd say
and which connection i should cut
i was feeling part of the scenery
i walked right out of the machinery
my heart going boom, boom, boom
hey, he said
grab your things, i've come to take you home

yeah, back home

when illusion spin her net
i'm never where i want to be
and liberty, she pirouette
when i think that i am free
watched by empty silhouettes
who close their eyes but still can see
no one taught them etiquette
so i will show another me
today i don't need a replacement
i'll tell them what the smile on my face meant
my heart going boom, boom, boom
hey, i said
you can keep my things, they've come to take me home

[sakeringo]

Woah - I don't think roy really meant that as a statement of how SHE thinks - I certainly did not when I echoed her statement - I was actually referring to the rest of her post and the point that this is a personal matter between two people.

That said, I think it was pretty obvious from the gitgo that people WERE doing just what she said - no not everyone, of course not, and in roy's defense she was one of the first to step up and say this should be private and not jump to conclusions when facts are not in. Not to mention none of our damn business.

How we SHOULD be, which sammy stated so well, and our experiences with how people actually ARE in the forums are two different things. The fact is, some people - not all - and not roy by the way - some people did take a side almost immediately one way or the other.

I did not interpret roy's statement about people passing judgement and kicking dogs when they are down in the same way as you guys read it. I'm just defending her. She's saying what she's seen happen many times in the forums. Let's be honest. We all have seen this kind of thing. Even here in shangri-la - well go back and read some of the posts and interpretations. It's what we are trying to rise above, isn't it?

Because we all don't think like that. I honestly don't think when roy used the royal "we" she was including herself in that group think. It was just an honest observation on her part. People knee jerk and people are human. And some people DID knee jerk. There not a lot of saints and ascended souls hanging around on the internet these days, just real people with honest reactions.

[shinzo sammy]

loving reactions

[Fellixe]

Cool, Sake. And I don't mean to attack Roy, but that comment could certainly look like condescension without some explanation for it.
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No explanation is necessary.
For those who do not,
None will suffice.'
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[sakeringo]

loving reactions indeed. Toward one side. Judgement without full facts being known. Labeling one a victim and one a villain without really KNOWING. Some taking the other side and calling one a liar . . . that was not very loving. But it happened. I read it. Then it got edited away on second thought. But look, it was human.

I know the reactions were for the most part loving. At least I know mine were. I guess that's my point. We cannot truly know what is in any heart but our own.

I guess I'm saying please don't judge roy that way. She has one of the best hearts going. Don't fault her for not wanting to see a feeding frenzy when feeding frenzies happen so often in these forums. Be truthful. They absolutely do and we've all gotten caught up in at least one of them.

[shinzo sammy]

so, where did the victims go? they came here. i'm crosseyed now....


OK, I'll ask you sake, since you can go back and forth between the forums....
Why did Robin go through all the trouble of following people around to defend herself for banning them and pointing out faults, and then said I wasn't banned, yet am not allowed to repost or reregister there? She even called you a bitch and yet you go back to post. Are you different than me?

[sakeringo]

Huh? Wait, okay I'll say it bluntly - wasn't this all about MOT and Glen specifically?

I'm cornfused. This makes my head hurt. Let's blow this joint.

Let's go have some hot sake and sing songs, sammy dear.

[sakeringo]

She called me a bitch? I missed that. Okay I take it all back. lol.

Actually I don't know anything about her following people around or any of the incidents that caused people to hate her. I'm kind of indifferent to all that. I don't really know a lot about her or who got banned or who can't get in or any of that stuff.

I know that the banning of politics over there was a decision made by the mods collectively and not a dictator move on her part although some seem to think so. Because she's not liked very much, I think she might be getting accused of stuff that are collective decisions by all the mods.

I know that a certain poster who (thankfully) we don't see anymore accusing her of casting spells on people because she's a witch is full of shit and that smacks of The Crucible big time and disgusts me. Sure she's a witch. So fucking what? Do people really think she sits around throwing eyes of newts into a cauldron casting spells on freaking internet posters she doesn't like? (Hang on while I pull this toad out of my ass - how did that get in there?)

I really try to stay out of all the sturm and angst. Actually, the only threads I read over there are the ask a psychic section and an occasional dive into the lounge or even the chat room, so a lot of what goes on over there I don't even know.

If someone gets into wanna fight I always read those cause I like the fights. They're interesting. It's a little perversion of mine.

Of course I found this whole announcement thing interesting. I'm not taking sides for or against either MOT or Glen. First of all, we've only been presented with one side and no response from the accused. I made a point about regardless of whether one likes her or not, I would hope no one really wishes her ill and that IF what she said went down as she said it did there is no excuse for physical violence.

I don't know the FACTS. I wasn't there. I would hope a woman and her sons are physically safe no matter who she is, who she doesn't like, or if she called me a bitch, which I'm totally detached from. Not the first time I've been called one, and I'm not likely to post 700 pages of how I was victimized in my childhood to argue why I should not be called one and what a conspiracy it is against me. Although it's tempting . . .

I don't know these people personally. I don't know what went down. I'm not taking sides for or against either one of them.

I am detached from the politics internal and external of the prophecies forum. I was done long ago with the political threads and the religious threads and the sky is falling threads and I was pretty vocal about that at the time.

Maybe I AM in the wrong forums, but where is the philosophical life can be wonderful and there is hope for mankind and what seems to be is merely illusion forum so I can go hang out there?

There are still some people I bonded with over there who don't come here which is why I drift over there. Also if there's nothing going here and I'm all caught up and it's still 4 hours of work time with no work to do - i drift over there. And I go to sometimes chat in PM with them or to reply to an occasional ask a psychic question. Other than that, this is my new hangout. Until I move north and get a new job where I actually have work to do. Which won't be too much longer I hope.

[shinzo sammy]

You are an angel of light, hope, humor and admiration. And, I have yet to meet anyone who lacks the slightest tint of humanity, given a smile.

[dnatree]

Orange Roses were everywhere Yesterday for Pam and I.



Glen reminds me of myself, I had a successful business (he had a board) and I invited a women to share what I had. She was a wonderful homemaker and had two children, immediately after marriage she had a fight with my coordinator (who was also my stepmother) and fired her. I said, just because we are married does not mean you can ruin my business. The fights over control of what I had grew until I was blamed for everything, lost everything, and humiliated by the true intentions of her heart which I could not see past her pretty face. Now in her first station as a homemaker I could not keep up with her, she knew how to keep her house in order. Me, I was a slob until I lived alone and created a place to dream.

MyOwnThing reminds me of Myself. Because when I got overrun with people going overboard with what I felt would hurt my good intentions I cut the tree back. I did what I had to do. I wish I knew now what I did not know then for now I know I can do everything through the spirit and did not have to react so dramatically.

Roycubs reminds me of myself, her love and intention to find the good in those that have BECOME the underdog. First those that left were the underdog, now the table have turned to expose things. It is not the people being exposed but what we are learning about true intentions and how these things grow. (Intentions grow like trees)

Let me surprise You with this one. Of all on Prophecies that has done the will of my father the most I would say it is the Passionate PM for though she thinks I am an enemy I know that her weakness is one area while her passion is everywhere. (Just like me) In fact she is drawn to people like me. (astrology, cancer, Chinese dog) And it is by her hand that my heart is greatly reached. In this understanding we come to see how we love our enemies. Blessed is she who nailed me to this tree.
Judgment is not as it seems when looking from the true intentions of the heart, we are learning a lot about how the tongue is a match that can start a fire. With a little trust that fire can reach all hearts. Urgent!

I don't mean to offend anyone but I want the truth to be known then no one will say to his neighbor believe this for all will know the source of that joy and will know that those that seek it have it.

I don't like to react because that is such a powerful moment, but one person can say something with a completely different intention than another that copies it and the outcome as well is different.

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[shinzo sammy]

dna, I think my brain is cooked.

Seriously, I just met a guy who was wearing a shirt with a "trailblazer" emblem on it. He rides a bike without a helment, tries to steal priviledges from others and askes me for advise. He called me somber and I told him it was best because when people approach that aren't savy I have a tendency to reflect their behavior, which might not be good.

I told him that integrity was more valuable than mirroring.

He sort of dripped sweat, and said "sorry if I came across as a jack-ass."

[dnatree]

[Ocean]

[sakeringo]

I set him free. Like Elsa the lioness, he headed into the wilderness. I sure hope there are plenty of flies there.

[Fellixe]

Well, he is certainly set to attract some now. Eeewww!
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'For those who believe,
No explanation is necessary.
For those who do not,
None will suffice.'
- Dunninger -

[sakeringo]

Hey - I gave him a nice bubble bath first!

[Gehenna]

[dnatree]

Mr. Toads Wild Ride



All Clean now! Wow that was a wild ride!
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Don't believe me or anyone, rather ask the Spirit what the true intentions of Your heart are and believe every word that You get from the Spirit. Father, let me learn only to speak as YOU speak through me.

[Ocean]

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Unfuck the World.

[sakeringo]

Okay DNA, thanks SO much for being totally responsible for pepsi coming out my nose. lol.

[Sharonywr]

[sakeringo]

You are all sick puppies!

I knew there was a reason I loved you all.

I'm waiting because I now expect DNA to come up with about a thousand frog synchronicities within the next day or two. Or asses. One of those.

Madame Sake predicts.

P.S., Sharon, the ANSWER is blowing in the wind.

[shinzo sammy]

OMG, I wuz getting all depressed then realized that a couple of days ago, we had to let the baby bullfrog go. He wouldn't eat the suicidal cricket that jumped into the bowl of water. Mouth to mouth with a cricket is difficult!

[dnatree]

[shinzo sammy]

(((holding hand over mouth)))

[Ocean]

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Unfuck the World.

[sakeringo]

Too funny.

Did you know it rained frogs in Coventry the day Eris was born? Go ahead. Ask her. I dare you. I double frog dare you.

Sammy, I watched my new kitten give mouth to mouth to a cricket. Sure she swallowed it, but must we nit pick?

[Sharonywr]

Chickens give great mouth to mouth to crickets. As a matter of fact, they are SO trained and ready for emergencies, that I saw one of my hens pick one up to help and the others chased her around for an hour...she couldn't even stop to help the poor thing. It didn't make it. . My police chicken, you know, the one who stands around and says "nothing to see here folks, please move along" was on break, sitting on her eggs. It was a complete breakdown of first responder communications. The cricket's family, I hear, is planning to sue Coop municipality.

And Sake, what answer did that frog get from your ass wind blowing? And did He REALLY ask a question, in the first place???? I bet he completely RiBBETs the entire experience.
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[chcltmkr]

DNA One more Edison Synch. I used to live in Edison NJ.
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Life isn't about how to survive the storm, But how to dance in the rain.

[sakeringo]

Hey, I used to drive by Edison's actual place where he invented all that shit in West Orange (over by Llewellan Park) every day.

[shinzo sammy]

There was a lightbulb on my kitchen counter this morning. Does that count?

Actually I was thinking the frogs sounds aren't really about "croaking" and everything. They are about us listening to the syncronicity of their croaks.

[sakeringo]

Fortunately the one that witch, Ocean, put in my butt did not croak.